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Speaking in a Breitbart News interview on Wednesday, Gary falsely claimed that Moore “wanted to keep segregation here in the south.”
She then claimed that Moore “hates Jews. He hates blacks. He hates Muslims. He hates gays.”
When challenged for specifics, Gary conceded that “I don’t know exactly what he said about Jews, but he doesn’t like Muslims. I know he doesn’t like Muslims. It is my personal feeling that he doesn’t like blacks.”
When further petitioned to support her charges, especially her claim that Moore “hates blacks” and supports segregation, Gary further admitted, “I am not sure. That is my feeling.”
The news media in recent days uncritically featured Gary making the undocumented claim on MSNBC that as a police officer “we were also told to watch him at the ball games to make sure that he didn’t hang around the cheerleaders.”
The news media seemingly failed to vet Gary, with numerous articles and the MSNBC interview not mentioning that Moore was the prosecutor in an 1982 high profile case that sent her brother, Jimmy Wright, to prison on charges of possession of a controlled substance. This after a second charge, unlawful sale of a controlled substance, was dropped.
The case was known locally as the “drugs in the mouth” case because, according to the state’s evidence, Wright allegedly tried to hide cocaine wrapped in foil in his mouth while his home was being searched. The Gadsden Times on April 9, 1982, documented how in his closing arguments, Moore put wrapped foil in his mouth that was ten times larger than the foil allegedly found on Wright in order to demonstrate that such a feat was possible.
Speaking to Breitbart News, Gary claimed that she was not motivated by anger over Moore’s involvement in convicting her brother.
“Really, I had forgotten all about the case on my brother,” she stated. “That had nothing to do with why my making the statements that I made. I made this statement because the women came out. I had no reason to make it before then. I didn’t even think about Roy Moore.”
Unprompted, Gary referred to herself in third person to deny ever being arrested on drug charges even though she was not asked whether she was arrested on drug charges and there is no information to indicate that she was. “Faye Gary has never been arrested for drugs because Faye Gary doesn’t do drugs,” she stated.
Criminal documents reviewed by Breitbart News show that in addition to her brother, Gary’s son was also arrested on drug charges in 2008 but he was killed before trial. Her grandson is currently in federal prison after pleading guilty to one count of distribution of cocaine. Gary discussed both cases in our interview, but she said that the matters should not impact her credibility.
The news media did such little vetting of Gary that many major publications reporting on the MSNBC interview got her last name wrong as did MSNBC. During the segment, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell correctly introduced the ex-cop as “Faye Gary, a retired Gadsden, Alabama, police officer.” In the middle of the 3-minute interview, a graphic on screen incorrectly labeled Gary as “Faye Gray.” Mitchell then ended the segment by correctly thanking “Faye Gary” for the interview.
Numerous publications, including the New York Daily News, Vice, the Seattle Times, and AOL.com wrongly reported her last name as Gray. The New York Times used her correct last name, Gary.
A simple Google search would have brought up Gary’s Facebook page, which has her correct last name.
During the interview with this reporter, Gary made numerous unsupported allegations against Moore before conceding that she could not prove her case.
“No, I don’t like his politics,” Gary stated when asked about her own political beliefs. “Because he hates Jews. He hates blacks. He hates Muslim. He hates Gays. And I don’t know how he can hide behind the Ten Commandments and people can believe him that he is speaking truth. And he speaks hate toward these people and these other races.”
Gary went on to claim that Moore “wanted to keep segregation here in the south.”
Here is a transcript of the ensuing exchange:
KLEIN: He (Moore) said that he wanted to keep segregation in the South?
GARY: You can search the records. You will find it.
KLEIN: What about Jews? What did he ever say about Jews?
GARY: I don’t know exactly what he said about Jews, but he doesn’t like Muslims. I know he doesn’t like Muslims. It is my personal feeling that he doesn’t like blacks.
KLEIN: Well, your personal feeling or you know that he doesn’t like blacks? … That’s a very strong statement. You are saying that he hates blacks. I have done a lot of research on him in general and I have never run across him ever making a racist statement or saying that there should be segregation in Alabama. So, are you sure he hates blacks?”
GARY: I am not sure. That is my feeling
KLEIN: And you are sure that he hates Jews? Because I also haven’t heard anything about that one.
GARY: Well, that is my personal feeling.
Gary was misleading when she charged that Moore “wanted to keep segregation here in the south.”
She was referring to a 2004 symbolic amendment seeking to remove racist language from the state constitution calling for “separate schools for white and colored children.” The racist mandate was not being enforced and had already been struck down by state and federal courts.
Moore and other conservatives took issue not with the removal of the racist, segregationist language, but with a provision added to the amendment which had passed the Democratic-controlled state legislature seeking to nix a 1956 amendment declaring Alabamans had no constitutional “right to education or training at public expense.” The amendment eventually failed to pass a statewide vote.
Even the far-left Talking Points Memo blog admitted that Moore’s opposition to the amendment was about the added public expense clause, with the politician fearing that the provision could lead to tax increases.
The blog related:
Moore and hardline conservatives pounced to argue the removal of that language would allow for a backdoor tax increase by judges who would see it as granting a constitutional right to an education, warning it would hurt taxpayers and threaten private schools and homeschoolers.
It cited Moore as telling the Birmingham Times in 2004 that the amendment would “open the door to an enormous tax increase.”
Meanwhile, in her interview with Breitbart News, Gary repeated her unsubstantiated claims about protecting cheerleaders from Moore. She claimed that her police department “had gotten a complaint that Roy Moore had been standing around watching the cheerleaders.”
“We worked the ball games,” she continued. “We worked all over the stadium. We were told to pay special attention to the cheerleaders’ stage. We had plenty to do at the ball game but that was one of the assignments also.”
Asked whether she was aware of another former or current police officer who would be able to publicly verify those claims, Gary responded, “No. I don’t know anybody that would want to go get on the news and tell it. I don’t. I sure don’t. I wish I did.”
Gary was challenged on why she waited all these years to go public.
Here is a transcript of that section of the interview:
KLEIN: If you knew about these rumors, why wait until now? If it is true, then couldn’t you have protected other women before now?
GARY: No. I couldn’t have protected anybody. I came out after the nine women came out. I remembered the incident when it happened back in the late 70s and early 80s. I had no reason to come out.
KLEIN: He was a Supreme Court Justice (in Alabama). He was a top politician in Alabama. So why now? Why not then?
GARY: I had no reason to come out. When the Corfman girl came out with her story that’s when I came out with my statement. After she came out with hers.
KLEIN: What I am saying is if you believe…
GARY (interrupts): Listen man, I know what Breitbart News is. So, when you quote me you better quote me right.
KLEIN: Oh, we are quoting every word. Don’t worry. I am not going to misquote you.
GARY: Ok. I came out after the women came out with the accusations of what Roy Moore had done to them. I had no reason to come out before that. Had they not come out, I never would have even thought about what Roy Moore did. Because he wasn’t somebody that I thought about.
Besides her allegations about ballgames, Gary was also quoted by the New York Times as claiming that “it was a known fact: Roy Moore liked young girls.”
“It was treated like a joke. That’s just the way it was,” Gary told the newspaper.
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Bannon asked Ryun about celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred’s involvement in the Roy Moore case, representing a woman who accuses Moore of assaulting her in 1977 when she was 16 years old.
Ryan said Allred is “basically a human vulture when you look back at some of the things she’s been involved in.”
“Remember the incident with Arnold Schwarzenegger?” Ryun asked. “She brought all these women in front of him, said they’re going to sue, they’re going to file suit against Schwarzenegger. Guess what? After the election, absolutely nothing happened.”
“I think a real turning point was that press conference when they pulled out the yearbook and the signature,” he said of Allred’s entry into the Moore controversy, referring to an interview with MSNBC’s Katy Tur where Allred did not come off well.
Ryun said this interview demonstrated that the best way to respond to sensational allegations is to “just throw facts back at them.”
“I’m remembering clearly, you remember this, the incident where I just brought up the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One. This is back in the spring. Couldn’t believe the reaction,” he said.
“Back to Alabama, we were talking in the break about this poll. This is John Kerry’s pollster who did this poll that just came out recently,” Ryun said, referring to a Fox News poll that showed Democrat Doug Jones with an eight-point lead over Republican Roy Moore.
“Why is Fox News using John Kerry’s pollster?” Bannon asked incredulously.
“Because John Kerry’s pollster has an agreement with the other company, Schoen Company, which is Karl Rove’s,” Kassam replied.
Ryun cited an observation the late Christopher Hitchens made in 1992, that “polls these days are not made to truly understand public opinion, but they’re meant to shape public opinion; they’re used as a weapon now.”
(As Kassam pointed out, Hitchens’ poetic way of phrasing this was to say that “opinion polling was born out of a struggle not to discover the public mind, but to master it,” and, in particular, to develop a weapon against organized-labor populism.)
“Pull all the Band-Aids off in D.C., and I think that at the end of the day, you’re going to see some things that will undermine the corrupt consultant class as the Band-Aids get ripped off on this,” Ryun predicted. “I think people need to start asking about behavior at the party committees. It’s time that we actually say, ‘Let’s have an honest conversation, a wide variety of thoughts.’”
Bannon interpreted this to mean that Ryun was accusing the D.C. “consultant class” of concealing a good deal of inappropriate behavior toward women.
“That’s what I am implying,” Ryun replied. “I think this might, ultimately, even though there are going to be some interesting moments moving forward, I think this will be a good thing for the populist movement.”
Ryun said there was no doubt in his mind that the allegations against Moore were part of an “organized hit,” as Bannon put it.
“I’ve been in D.C. almost 20 years. And, again, I don’t have hard proof, and I will say this clearly: I do not have hard proof, but I strongly suspect it’s a very short list of people, all who are associated with Mitch McConnell – whether it’s Josh Holmes, whether it’s Karl Rove, might even be Steven Law – I don’t know, but I strongly, strongly suspect somebody out of the McConnell camp planted the story.”
“It was planted. This came with the blessing of Mitch McConnell at some point, that he was going to take a political shot at Roy Moore,” he declared.
Bannon asked for Ryun’s thoughts on Restoration Weekend and his role as a presenter at the event.
“It’s so important. You bring together just some great people – obviously yourself, Raheem; you’re going to have Congressman Devin Nunes as the keynote speaker. You’ll be speaking, I know, later today,” Ryun replied. “It’s just great where people come from all over the country, spend three days together, be able to interact with people like you and like Devin Nunes.”
“I’m really excited to introduce Congressman Nunes,” he added. “He has been the rock star on unmasking Fusion. So I’m excited to be here. He’s a rising star. Keep an eye on him. You know, the thing is, he took it on the chin this spring. They were going after him, undermining his credibility. He didn’t stop.”